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Jul 2 2012

Best Super Soft and Chewy Hoagie Rolls

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The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

The BEST soft and chewy bread roll for hoagies/submarines/grinders. Pillowy soft rolls that are begging to be filled with deliciousness!

Truly The Best Hoagie Roll Recipe

As a Chef and Pizzaiola with over 35 years of professional experience, I know hoagie rolls. This recipe has been in my family for generations. It is versatile (think dinner rolls or bread bowls for soup) and also makes the absolute best hoagie roll. We’re talking pizzeria/sub-shop-style hoagies.

The inside is super fluffy and chewy with a slight crust out the outside. Whether you eat them as a cold sub or as a toasted Italian hoagie, you will never need to step into a sub shop again!

TKW Family Love

2nd time I’m making this recipe. It comes out perfect each time!! I made Philly Cheesesteaks with them and honestly can’t get enough!!! Thank you for sharing this beautiful recipe!

Alessandra Abate


This is a VERY detailed post with a ton of tips, techniques, and tutorials. I strongly advise you to read the post BEFORE you make the rolls. Yes, it’s a VERY easy recipe, but I tried to address many of your FAQs. For ease of reading, I’ve sectioned it as follows:

  • Can I use All-Purpose Flour?
  • Using Active Dry Yeast
  • Using Instant Yeast
  • Slack Dough
  • How To Shape Hoagie Buns
  • Coating Hoagie Rolls
  • Chef’s Tips
  • Freezing Pre and Post Baking Hoagie Rolls
  • Cold-Fermenting Dough (overnight rise)
  • How to Substitute Sourdough Starter

Depending on what part of the country or world you’re from, these things are called various names.  I’ve heard “Subs, Submarines, Hoagies, Grinders, Hero, Italian Sandwich, Torpedo, Blimpie, Po’Boy, and Rocket” just to name a few. 

Whatever you call it, I’m talking about those luxurious sandwiches full of meats and cheeses, then wedged into a chewy, soft bread roll.

Hoagie Bun Ingredients

  • Bread Flour – it must be at least 11-14% protein content
  • Yeast – Active Dry or Instant
  • Water
  • Salt
  • Sugar
  • Butter
  • Items for a bread wash *optional

Can I use All-Purpose Flour?

I’d advise against it because you’ll end up with a different texture and outcome. Yes, you can, but there are differences in the outcome.

  • You won’t get the same result with US all-purpose flour as you would bread flour. The higher protein in bread flour is what gives the bread its “chew” and rise
  • Plus, AP flour will make the bread denser. You can use it, but they won’t be like classic hoagie rolls, but they still will taste yummy

If bread flour is hard to find, grab some Vital Wheat Gluten and make your bread flour using your AP Flour.

I have the formula on my blog. Check out this post on how to make your own bread flour.

Working with yeast – no fears, you got this!

One of the comments I get most when I ask why folks don’t make homemade bread at home is that they are afraid of it. They are either afraid to work with yeast or unsure about the techniques. Well, that’s where I’m here to help you.

Baking bread, rolls, and dough is something I honestly find truly cathartic. It’s relaxing using the stand mixer or kneading the dough by hand. It’s pretty foolproof because I use only Red Star Yeasts (99.9% of the time it’s their Platinum).

  • Store your yeast in a dark, cool area. I tend to store mine in the fridge or the freezer for extended storage.
  • When adding it, add it to very warm liquids (120-130°F). You don’t want to add it to boiling or super-hot water as you will kill the yeast.
  • With the Instant Platinum yeast, you don’t even have to let it proof first – like how I added it to this recipe. Because I use the Instant Active Dry yeast, there’s no proofing involved.
    • To Proof, Active Dry Yeast, place a portion of the warm liquid in a bowl and add the yeast. Give it a little stir and let it sit for 1-5 minutes or until the yeast is completely dissolved. It should bubble up and “bloom”
  • If, after 5 minutes, the yeast isn’t bloome,d then your yeast is old (expiration dates matter here!) or the liquid you used is too hot
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TKW Family Love

Well, this recipe was a big ole SUCCESS!!! Gosh, rave reviews all around and even my uncle — a Jimmy John’s aficionado — said this was the best bread they’ve ever had. ONLY alteration I did was use lard over butter.. because that’s what I usually do for bread minus foccacia of course! 😆
Thank you so much for this very well explained guide! I’ll admit, I’ve got a lot of bread baking under my belt but I always struggled with the shaping part of the equation. Followed your directions and boom, perfect lil’ hoagies. I’m going to try cold fermenting them next time for an even more delicious flavor, I can’t imagine them getting any better though!


Julia


How to make a Hoagie Roll

Feel good about working with yeast? You should. It’s really easy, and just don’t be afraid! You can do this!  Baking is a science, and when you add ingredients, it matters. Plus we need to discuss how humidity can affect how much water you put in.

Active Dry yeast

  1. If using Active Dry Yeast (not the Instant I use) you have to proof the yeast first. Add the Active Dry Yeast, sugar, and 1/4 cup plus 2 Tablespoons of warm water in a bowl of a stand mixer. Using a whisk or spoon, mix and set aside for 5-10 minutes or until the yeast has bubbled quite a bit.
  2. In the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the dough hook (this would be the same bowl your yeast mixture is in) add 2 cups of flour and the remaining cup of water. Start on low. Mix for 4 minutes.
  3. Add in the salt and 1 cup at a time of the remaining flour and mix for 5-6 minutes until the dough is slack (See note). At this point, your mixer should be at medium speed. If your dough, after 5-6 minutes is not slack add up to 1/4 more cup of water (taking you up to a full 1 1/2 cups used) but add one Tablespoon at a time. The additional water will fully depend on how humid your room is.

Instant yeast

  1. In the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the dough hook add in 2 cups of flour, water, sugar, and Instant Yeast.  Start on low. Mix for 4 minutes.
  2. Add in the salt and 1 cup at a time of the remaining flour and mix for 5-6 minutes until the dough is slack (See note). At this point, your mixer should be at medium speed. If your dough, after 5-6 minutes is not slack add up to 1/4 more cup of water (taking you up to a full 1 1/2 cups used) but add one Tablespoon at a time. The additional water will fully depend on how humid your room is.

Now, depending on the temp in the kitchen or how humid it is, you can add anywhere from 3 1/2 – 4 cups of flour. Just go slow. The worst thing you can do is add too much flour because you’re impatient. At this point, your dough should start to look and feel “Slack”

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

What is Slack Dough?

Think of a blob. It’s kind of fluid but it’s not liquidy. It’s the point where if you were to dump the dough out onto a board and try to form it into a shape, it would just blob back out and not hold a shape.

That’s what Slack Dough is. Slack dough means when the dough cannot hold a shape; it has no elasticity or spring back at all. It’s a wet dough but not too wet. It’s “billowy”. The dough is super, super soft, and smooth.

Below is what Slack dough looks like

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How Humidity affects dough and bread baking

If your bread dough never turns slack there can be 2 reasons for this

  • You didn’t mix it enough. Give it another minute or two. If it still doesn’t turn slack, add a tablespoon of water at a time until it forms slack.
  • Your house is super dry – add a bit more water.

The rule of thumb is if your area is hot & humid then reduce the liquid by 10%. Now, back to making the dough.

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll
  1. Once all the flour is added and the dough is slack, add in the butter one tablespoon at a time. Just like the flour, you’ll add it in slowly allowing it to incorporate into the dough. Don’t panic if it doesn’t go in all at once or the dough looks to break down. Just be patient, it’ll combine again. Patience – that’s the key.

Cold Butter or Softened Butter?

I was raised using cold butter in this recipe though you may use room temp or equal amounts of olive oil. When using cold butter, even though you ‘meld it into the flour’, you’re helping with gluten formation and the development of dough structure. I’ve made it with room-temperature butter and it works just as well. You can use either folks.

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  1. Once it’s mostly all in, turn the mixer up to medium and mix the dough until it pulls completely away from the side and is smooth and shiny.
  2. Transfer the dough to a large, lightly sprayed bowl.
  3. Cover with plastic wrap or use what I use – Disposable plastic clear shower caps. They have a stretchy band that snaps around the bowl and remains ballooned to allow the dough to proof without sticking to it.
  4. Once it’s doubled in size, it’s time to shape the hoagie rolls.

How to shape Hoagie Buns

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

  1. Punch the dough down and place on a very lightly floured board. I would advise using as little flour as possible when shaping these. The more flour you add, the tougher the hoagies will be.
  2. Divide into 4-8 pieces and shape. *See below on how to shape!
  3. Once shaped, transfer to a parchment-lined tray and cover with lightly sprayed plastic wrap. Allow to rise again until almost doubled. ~30-45 minutes. Do NOT overproof them otherwise they will fall flat.

What does Overproof mean?

In simple terms it means the dough was left to rise too long, It will almost “super balloon” in size. You’ll know you’ve over-proofed dough if, when you poke it for 2 seconds, remove your finger and see if it springs back. If your dough does not spring back, it’s over-proofed.

But that doesn’t mean all is lost. Simply remove the dough from where it was rising, degas it (meaning press down firmly on the dough to get rid of the gas), then re-shape. Place it back on your pan and repeat the second proofing.

Watch your dough – things like ambient temperature, humidity, etc will cause your dough to rise slower or faster. The 30-45 minutes is fairly standard time but you need to use your judgment in the kitchen.

TKW Family Love

I just pulled my rolls from the oven. They turned out perfectly! The recipe is very clear and easy to follow. I just tested a roll to make sure it wasn’t poisonous and ohhhhh my goodness…..soft and pillowey on the inside, and a nice soft yet chewy outside. Not chewy but a good bite to it. It is going to be perfect for my leftover prime rib to make French dip sandwiches for supper. Thank you!

Christina Jackson


Chef’s Tips on shaping hoagie rolls

Shaping does take practice, but that’s the fun of baking, right?!

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll
  1. After you divide the dough into your pieces (4-8), with your fingers, gently pat it into a rectangle where the dough is about 1/4″ thick.
  2. Next, fold the bottom third to the center, then fold the upper quarter (like an envelope) towards the center, and press gently to seal.
  3. Rotate the dough 180 degrees (so the last fold faces away from you), repeat the above folding step, and use your hand to seal the dough seams as you fold it. What you’re doing is folding the dough into itself.
  4. At this point, your dough is almost shaped like a log/snake. Gently cup your hand over the center of the dough and, without pressing down, roll the dough back and forth to reinforce the seal, then roll it out into a log. If necessary, gently pinch the seam closed.
  5. Grab the ends and lightly, carefully pull them outwards to stretch the dough (just an inch or so – again, depending on how long you want your rolls).
  6. To help round out the ends, cup each hand at the end of the roll and move them in opposite directions with a back-and-forth motion to roll the ends and then tuck them underneath the roll. At this point, they are ready for the next rise.

Adding Slashes/Slits

While completely not necessary, you can add slashes/slits to the rolls before they bake to give them a prettier look. Cutting them adds zero taste value; it just pretties them up. 

However, it does help with the texture. Did you ever make or buy bread that has a huge bubble or has a blowout? The bread “ruptures” in a sense. By scoring the bread, you can help control where gas can escape without ruining its appearance.

Bread Lame

A lame is a handle with a very thin razor blade at the end, specifically used for slashing bread.  In a quick motion, make a slash (or multiple slashes) down the center of the bread, but do not go in deep. You’re going in maybe a 1/4″ at best.

I use a Lame to do mine.

Can I use a sharp knife instead?

I would say no, as the blade isn’t thin enough, and the knife may not be super, SUPER sharp. You could risk tearing the bread instead of a quick, pretty slash.

Coating your rolls before baking

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You do not have to coat these if you do not want to. They will bake up beautifully and taste amazing, BUT they won’t really have that deep color, crust, or shine like the ones most pizzerias have. Again, not a bad thing. Go with what you like.

When it comes to these rolls, the application you use to coat them will determine the results. For my hoagie rolls, I use an egg white mixed with just a Tablespoon of milk

  • Whole egg: This will give your bread a sheen and color
  • Egg Yolk: This will give your bread color and will help brown it
  • Egg White: Will give you a firmer crust
  • Milk: will give your crust color
  • Butter: will make your crust softer and richer
  • Egg White with Milk: will give you a firmer crust and deeper crust color
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Cutting your hoagie rolls

At first cut, the bread insides are so soft and billowy.  It’s as if it’s held together by pockets of air and strands of sweet dough. 

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

While it’s hard to resist, I HIGHLY recommend waiting about 10 minutes before slicing into these hoagie rolls. If you don’t, you risk tearing the bread (even with the best bread knives) because it’s simply too hot and too soft inside.

Trust me on this, it’s worth the wait!

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

I would HIGHLY recommend using a quality bread knife to slice these, as the rolls are soft and chewy, and nothing is worse than cutting into them with a crappy knife! You’ll love this knife! Sani-Safe S162-8SC-PCP 8″ Scalloped Bread Knife with Polypropylene Handle Pan is a great knife that’s affordable!

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

Chef Tips About Bread Baking

  • As mentioned above, humidity and heat in your kitchen will drastically affect the dough texture (too wet/too dry while mixing) and proofing.
  • If your kitchen is warmer, your bread will rise faster. Think of bread dough like a toddler. You really can’t let it be unsupervised for very long. Use the times as a guideline, but your eyes will be your best judge.
  • If you overproof your dough, it will fall flat when it bakes. The gluten structure will be too weak to hold the gas production.
  • USE GENTLE HANDS when shaping your dough.
  • Make sure your yeast is not expired!
  • Watch your oven as it bakes. If your oven thermostat is on the fritz, it can affect your bread: either it bakes too fast, leading to burnt bread on the outside or raw bread on the inside.
  • Just relax. If you don’t get it perfect the first time, try again. Ask questions if you’re not sure what went wrong. The biggest things are:
    • Not mixing your dough enough before the first proof
    • If you’re too rough on shaping it, you lose the gas in it
    • Overproofed the 2nd shape, and the bread went flat upon baking
    • Your oven thermostat is on the fritz
  • PATIENCE – BE PATIENT and keep dumping in more flour or water. Rome wasn’t built in a day, just as the dough won’t come together in a minute or two.

There’s no limit to how you can use these hoagie rolls or what you can put in or on them.

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

How to serve Homemade Hoagie Rolls

  • Italian Rocket Hoagie or any favorite hoagie topping such as steak, meatball, cheese, pizza… you get the idea!)
  • Meatball Hoagie like the pics below – use any of my meatball recipes, top with sauce of choice, cheese, and bake at 400F for 10-15 minutes or until the cheese is melted
  • French Bread Pizza – split in half, top each side with cheese and pizza toppings. Bake at 400F until the cheese is melted
  • Stuffed Breakfast Boats – these were such a HUGE seller at our pizzeria (even though they were on the ‘secret’ menu
  • Make them smaller as dinner rolls and, while still warm, top with honey cinnamon butter right before serving

How to store your Best Soft and Chewy Hoagie Rolls

Store them uncut.  When you’re storing overnight, you’ll want to store it in a paper bag OR, wrapped tightly in plastic wrap and then in a plastic bag. Air is your enemy here.

The Best Soft & Chewy Hoagie Bread Roll

How to Freeze Hoagie Rolls

These rolls can be frozen either before or after baking.

Post-baking

  • I prefer to freeze these after they are baked. Simply wrap each cooled loaf in plastic wrap twice and place it in a freezer-safe bag for up to 3 months.

Pre-baking

  1. If you do this, add a little more yeast (about a teaspoon more) to the recipe. This ensures that the post-freeze rise will give you a stunning result.
  2. Allow the dough to proof and then shape it on a parchment-lined pan.
  3. Wrap the pan with plastic wrap. Once each loaf is frozen stiff, wrap each roll twice in plastic wrap. Store in a freezer-safe bag for up to 6 months.
  4. To use frozen dough rolls, remove a loaf from the freezer the night before you want to bake it. Keep the loaf wrapped in plastic and let it thaw overnight in the refrigerator.
  5. Place the thawed dough in a greased bread pan, cover it, and let it rise in a warm, dry place. Bake the bread per the recipe below.
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Cold Fermenting Your Dough

If you want, you can also cold-ferment this dough as soon as it comes together!

  1. Once the mixture is combined and forms a soft/smooth bread ball, you can add it to a buttered bowl/lidded large container and refrigerate it overnight.
  2. The next day, remove the container from the fridge to perform the first rise. Then, punch down, shape, and allow it to proof a second time. *Note: it will take longer to rise initially as it will be cold.

Subbing Sourdough Starter

I get asked this question a lot. I never use sourdough starter in this recipe, as I love it as-is; however, you can substitute sourdough starter with some recipe modifications.

  • 8 ounces of ripened sourdough starter
  • Reduce the total flour to 334-339 grams
  • Reduce the total water to 177-237 grams
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Using Whole Wheat Flour

So the answer is yes, but you have to modify it and play with the texture to get it right. Let me explain.

  1. You only use 3/4 cup of whole wheat for every 1 cup of flour substituted. AND,
  2. I’ve yet to use all whole wheat and am loving the flavor. I currently recommend substituting 50% whole wheat for the rest of the flour (again, using the measurements in step 1). AND,
  3. You’ll need to add another 2 Tablespoons of water for every 3/4 cup of whole wheat flour added.
  4. And don’t forget to factor in humidity, too.

I have yet to have an OMG YUM moment when making the recipe with a 100% whole wheat swap. It’s still too dense for my liking. Then again, 100% wheat bread tends to be thick in general (at least in my experience).

I’m still working on it, but I’m confident I can nail it and achieve the results I want and love.

TKW Family Love

Ok, since finding this recipe a few weeks ago, I have made these at least once a week. I have made many many bread recipes before, but nothing that my family ever requested so much! Seriously, this recipe is amazing! And so forgiving! I’ve added extra flour, and too much water and I’ve tried every wash possible (our favorite is whole egg) and each time they are just outstanding. I’ve shared this post with quite a few friends as well. I’ll never buy rolls again.

Lauren


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The BEST soft and chewy bread roll for hoagies/submarine/grinders. Pillowy soft rolls that are begging to be filled with deliciousness!

  • Author: The Kitchen Whisperer
  • Prep Time: 2 hours
  • Cook Time: 25 minutes
  • Total Time: 2 hours 25 minutes
  • Yield: 4-8 rolls depending on how big you want them
  • Category: Bread
  • Method: oven
  • Cuisine: baking

Ingredients

  • 3 1/2 – 4 cups bread flour/448-512 grams *see note
  • 1 1/4 cups plus 2 tablespoon – 1 1/2 cups warm water (110-115F degrees) / 308-355 grams *see note
  • 2 Tablespoons / 25 grams of sugar
  • 1 packet instant yeast (2 1/4 teaspoon of RedStar Platinum Yeast) / 7 grams
  • 1 teaspoon kosher salt / 6 grams
  • 4 Tablespoons / 56 grams cold unsalted butter, cubed *see note

Instructions

Using Active Dry Yeast? Start here

  1. If using Active Dry Yeast (not the Instant I use), you have to proof the yeast first. Add the Active Dry Yeast, sugar, and 1/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons of warm water in the bowl of a stand mixer.
  2. Using a whisk or spoon, mix and set aside for 5-10 minutes or until the yeast has bubbled quite a bit.
  3. In the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the dough hook (this would be the same bowl your yeast mixture is in) add 2 cups of flour and the remaining cup of water. Start on low. Mix for 4 minutes.
  4. Go to Step 1 of Recipe Continuation and follow the rest of the recipe

Using Instant Yeast? Start here

  1. In the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the dough hook, add in 2 cups of flour, water, sugar, and Instant Yeast.  Start off on low. Mix for 4 minutes.
  2. Go to Step 1 of Recipe Continuation and follow the rest of the recipe.

Recipe Continuation

  1. Add in the salt and 1 cup at a time of the remaining flour and mix for 5-6 minutes until the dough is slack (See note). At this point, your stand mixer should be at medium speed. If your dough is not slack after 5-6 minutes, add up to 1/4 more cup of water (up to a full 1 1/2 cups), but do so one Tablespoon at a time. The additional water will entirely depend on how humid your room is.
  2. Add in the butter 1 Tablespoon at a time and mix until almost fully melded in before adding the next Tablespoon.  In total, mix for 1-3 minutes, or until the dough comes back together and pulls completely away from the sides, leaving a smooth, shiny surface. Remove from bowl and transfer to a greased, covered bowl until doubled in size. ~1 hour.
  3. Punch the dough down and place it on a very lightly floured board. Divide into 4-8 pieces and shape. I would advise using as little flour as possible when shaping these. The more flour you add, the tougher the hoagies will be. Transfer to a parchment-lined tray and cover with lightly sprayed plastic wrap. Allow to rise again until almost doubled. ~30-45 minutes. Do NOT overproof them; they will fall flat.
  4. Preheat the oven to 375°F/190°C. If you want to slash your bread, use a lame to make your slashes. If desired, brush with a coating of choice and bake for 16-23 minutes or until golden brown. To ensure doneness, test the internal temperature of the bread. It should be at 200°F/93°C.
  5. Allow to cool before cutting with a quality bread knife ( Sani-Safe S162-8SC-PCP 8″ Scalloped Bread Knife with Polypropylene Handle Pan )

Notes

Flour & Water

Depending on the type of bread flour as well as how humid your kitchen is you may need to increase the water to 1 1/2 cups (which is only another 2 tablespoons more than the original). At times I’ve had to actually go up to 1 3/4 cups total but that was due to how humid my house was at the time.

Cold Butter

I was raised using cold butter in this recipe though you may use softened or equal amounts of olive oil. When using cold butter, even though you ‘meld it into the flour’, you’re helping with gluten formation and the development of dough structure.

Slack Dough

Slack dough means when the dough cannot hold a shape; it has no elasticity or spring back at all. It’s a wet dough but not too wet. It’s “billowy”. The dough is super, super soft, and smooth.

Equipment

I would HIGHLY recommend using a quality bread knife to slice these as the rolls are soft and chewy and nothing is worse when cutting into them with a crappy knife! You’ll love this knife! Sani-Safe S162-8SC-PCP 8″ Scalloped Bread Knife with Polypropylene Handle Pan

Coating your bread

  • Whole egg: this will give your bread a sheen and color
  • Egg Yolk: this will give your bread color and will help brown it
  • Egg White: Will give you a firmer crust
  • Milk: will give your crust color
  • Butter: will make your crust softer and richer

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  1. candace
    November 26, 2013

    *Kneading*

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  2. candace
    November 26, 2013

    I was just wondering what kind of mixer you use. Mine could not handle the dough and quit before the first 4 minutes were up so I just finished up needing by hand, hoping it turns out=)

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    1. TKWAdmin
      November 27, 2013

      Hi Candace!

      I have 2 stand mixers – one is a commercial 10 quart one. This is used for high volume/large batches. The other is a standard 6quart Kitchen Aid mixer that is I think 15 years old. It’s pretty similar to this one (http://astore.amazon.com/thekitcwhis-20/detail/B0002Y5X9W) though it’s slightly less powerful. This one maxes out on any dough that has more than 7 cups of flour at a time. What’s most important with mixers like this is the wattage. For this recipe (4 cups of flour/etc) I’m thinking at least 400 watts should be sufficient.

      Sorry your mixer quit on you. And hey, nothing beats using the tools in the kitchen – you’re hands! It’s a great way to de-stress! Let me know how they turn out!

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

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      1. Candace
        December 2, 2013

        I don’t think they turned out as they should (only made six small loaves) but they still tasted delicious despite that. This is a recipe I will definitely make again. (As soon as I get a new mixer=) I’m thinking venison meatball subs for our church fellowship lunches.

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        1. TKWAdmin
          December 3, 2013

          Hmmm… 6 could be right, depending on the weight. Next time I make these I’ll weigh out the dough pieces. That should help if people want 8.

          Glad you loved them! Oh yeah, venison meatballs would be awesome on these!

          Best Kitchen Wishes!

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  3. Jodi
    November 24, 2013

    Should I melt the butter first before adding?

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    1. TKWAdmin
      November 24, 2013

      Nope; it has to be cold and cubed. If you use melted hot butter, it’ll kill the yeast. Add the cold butter in and mix. The dough will separate a bit and you’ll panic (I did my first time adding it) but let it go. The mixer will bring it all back together. The cold butter is what separates the flour “layers” thus creating the soft ‘n chewy pull-a-part texture.

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

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      1. Jodi
        November 24, 2013

        Thank you! After I asked my question, I remembed that is what would happen. I followed the recipe exactly and they turned out great! I made half as hoagie buns and the other as dinner rolls. Then half with egg wash before baking and the other with butter after baking. I love all four ways. My hoagie buns were a little thin though. Next time I will only divide the recipe into 6 pieces. Also, I cut a few of my dinner roll pieces in to pumpkin shapes. They turned out very cute! Great recipe!!! : )

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        1. TKWAdmin
          November 24, 2013

          Hi Jodi!

          So thrilled that you loved them! I actually was planning on making these as dinner rolls for Thanksgiving. Just buttering a round cake pan, placing some dough balls in that to proof then brushing them with the egg prior to baking and when they come out brushing with a honey butter mixture.

          OMG if you have Facebook please post a pic of the pumpkin shaped rolls on our facebook wall! I’d LOVE to see them! Or email me a pic at lori@thekitchenwhisperer.net People would go NUTS over that! http://www.facebook.com/thekitchenwhisperer

          Happy Thanksgiving!

          Best Kitchen Wishes!

          Reply
  4. Katie
    November 14, 2013

    Can you use Fast Rise Yeast?

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    1. TKWAdmin
      November 14, 2013

      Hi Katie!

      Sure you can but… Fast Rise Yeast is yeast that has been milled into smaller particles so that it doesn’t need to be dissolved into water. In addition, enzymes and other additives are included to make the dough rise faster. With this yeast, you can skip the first rise of the dough and shape the loaves right after kneading.

      What you save in time, you lose in flavor and structure. Your final loaf will be fairly bland and commercial tasting, with a tight, uniform crumb.

      I’m going to update the recipe to state active dry yeast. I have it in my recipe that way but forgot to list it.

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

      Reply
  5. Suzie
    November 6, 2013

    First, I grew up in Pennsylvania so hoagie would be the correct term. 🙂 Second, these are fantastic! They use a new technique that I have never tried and they were so easy. They came out light and fluffy just a little crisp and chewy.

    I do have one question, did you use any type of wash on yours? They are so golden and shiny, I just didn’t achieve that look.

    I try making them into rounds as they would be delicious burger buns!

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    1. TKWAdmin
      November 6, 2013

      Hi Suzie! Where abouts in PA? Thank you so much! I love these rolls the most!

      For the picture I just brushed with melted butter as soon as they came out of the oven to get that sheen. If you want a ‘harder’ crust you can always brush with a little egg wash (1 egg with 2 Tbl water). That’s totally your call.

      Yep, I’ve made these as burger buns as well.

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

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      1. Suzie
        November 6, 2013

        Grew up in the Northeast, Tunkhannock. Live in MA south of Boston now days.

        Thanks for the feedback! I do use melted butter on my bread and I will think I will try that next time I make these rolls as well.

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  6. Barbara
    November 2, 2013

    I am currently trying to make these using my bread machine, but I am VERY new to making bread. I have put everything in and set the dough setting on my machine. The cycle takes 2.25 hours on this setting. Will I still need to let these rise again after shaping them, or just shape and bake when the bread machine finishes it’s part?

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    1. TKWAdmin
      November 3, 2013

      Hi Barbara!

      I haven’t used a bread machine in a good 20 years so I’m afraid I’m not the expert here with that. I would read your manual that came with it. What I would do after the bread cycle is shape them, let them rise again and then bake. Because you’re handling the dough, you need to shape them and allow the gluten to relax a bit before you bake them otherwise they may turn out dense and hard instead of soft and chewy.

      Let me know how that turns out for you.

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

      Reply
  7. rhelt100
    October 29, 2013

    Made these today for hot sausage sandwiches. They are incredible! I used a bread machine on dough cycle to do most of the hard work but other than that I followed the recipe exactly.

    Reply
    1. TKWAdmin
      October 29, 2013

      That’s awesome to hear, thank you! I absolutely LOVE LOVE LOVE these rolls and always have them on hand. They freeze beautifully too!

      Great use of the bread machine too!

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

      Reply
  8. Leah
    October 29, 2013

    Help! I measured everything perfectly, or so I thought, but I am now to the “mix 4 minutes” stage and the dough is not wet AT ALL. It seems like it was way too much flour or not enough moisture! I am afraid these will turn out rock-hard. What did I do wrong?

    Reply
    1. TKWAdmin
      October 29, 2013

      Leah,

      The dough will come together. It shouldn’t really be a ‘slack’ dough at this point. If you want you can add 2 Tbl to a 1/4 cup warm water (no more otherwise your dough will be way too wet and not bake up right! You’ll end up with air pockets instead of chewy insides) to help bind it faster. What you’re doing is building up the gluten here. Before you add the extra water, turn the mixer off, scrape the bowl slightly and then mix on a higher speed (go for medium speed). IF after 2 minutes of this it still seems really dry to you add the water and salt and continue on with the rest of the recipe.

      I’ve made this exact recipes hundreds upon hundreds of times and have never strayed. Let me know how it turns out

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

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      1. SHARON B.
        November 11, 2015

        Hi TKW! I made these yesterday, (stand mixer), and being a pretty experienced bread baker, I was almost in despair over the texture of the dough while mixing. It didn’t seem to slack at all so I was thinking…one more Crappy FAILURE in progress here. Sharon, what did you do wrong…WHAT??? So continuing on with my not-so-happy-face, I just bulled through and finished, but I was thinking RIGHT!! THIS IS A PEACH!! YUCKY-FACE!! POUT!!
        The dough was the most BEAUTIFUL dough when I shaped it, used not one DROP of flour. Hope appears on her face! The rolls were perfect, just perfect. WOO-HOO to your recipe.
        I’ve been telling Hubby I need a slave, but I’ll definitely settle for you being my Kitchen Fairy. Blesses, Sharon

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        1. TKWAdmin
          November 15, 2015

          Oh Sharon I wish you would have saw my face as I started reading your comments. As I read I thought “Oh no, it didn’t work out for her” and got really upset but as I read I had the biggest smile form on my face! Yeah knowing what true slack dough looks like is something that you just need to learn. So thank you so much for your comments!

          Once I can figure out how to work the video portion on my camera I want to make videos like that showing what slack dough looks like. I think that’ll help the most.

          And I can be your baking fairy 🙂 Love it!

          Best Kitchen Wishes!

          Reply
          1. Tracy Martinez
            June 29, 2025

            did you ever make a video?

            Reply
            1. Lori
              June 29, 2025

              Not yet. I’m dealing with some health problems with RA and that is impacting the use of my hands right now.

              Best Kitchen Wishes!

              Reply
  9. Amie
    October 25, 2013

    Thank you!! This recipe was the first time I have actually had bread work perfectly for me. I followed the directions exactly, except I live in Arizona so I baked at 350°F for 15 min.

    Reply
    1. TKWAdmin
      October 25, 2013

      Hi Amie!

      First off, LOVE the spelling of your name! I have a niece named Amie, same spelling! *wink* And you are most welcome! I’m thrilled that it worked out for you!

      Have you tried any of my No Knead Artisan breads? They are no fail! Super crusty on the outside and chewy on the inside! They are incredible! https://www.thekitchenwhisperer.net/2013/01/22/most-awesomest-crusty-no-knead-bread-ever/

      And Arizona? I’m jealous! I LOVE LOVE LOVE Scottsdale!

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

      Reply
  10. Jenny
    October 15, 2013

    I just made these! I wanted to make eggplant parm subs with leftover eggplant parm, but I had no bread. I live 30 miles from the store and I didn’t feel like driving just for rolls. I also didn’t have enough bread flour either, so I used 1/2 bread flour and 1/2 whole wheat pastry, with rapid rise yeast. They were absolutely fabulous and I ate the first one warm from the oven with honey and butter as a previous commenter did. Thanks for a fabulous recipe! The eggplant baked up in one of these with plenty of cheese melted on top was fantastic!

    Reply
    1. TKWAdmin
      October 15, 2013

      That sounds awesome Jenny! I have to make another batch and so need to do try them with honey and butter! Great thinking with the wheat flour! So happy you loved these! I absolutely love these rolls!

      Oh… if you’re ever out of bread flour, check this out https://www.thekitchenwhisperer.net/2013/05/04/how-to-make-bread-flour/ as I show you how to make it using wheat gluten and AP flour. Plus I have other items under the Tips/Tricks category on how to also make Gluten Free AP Flour and Cake Flour.

      Best Kitchen Wishes!

      Reply
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